Jefferson Davis / Abe Lincoln: separated at birth?

UPDATE from the comments: theatre friend Bryan sez:

That’s been a long-standing theory in Kentucky history for a long time Maureen. Born less than 100 miles from each other, and about a year apart, several people believe the theory that Nancy Hanks had an affair with  Samuel Davis.

I noted on Sunday that here in Florida, Jefferson Davis’ birthday is a State holiday. Just now, I came across this photograph of the once-President of the Confederate States of America . . . doesn’t he kind of look like that other guy, what’s his name . . .?

31 responses to “Jefferson Davis / Abe Lincoln: separated at birth?

  1. That’s been a long-standing theory in Kentucky history for a long time Maureen. Born less than 100 miles from each other, and about a year apart, several people believe the theory that Nancy Hanks had an affair with Samuel Davis.

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    • Wow! Just wow! And a fine old Kentuckian like yerself ought to know! Breaking any legs lately Bryan?

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      • Actually Moe, yes. From the success of the Hatfield & McCoy mini-series, I am working all summer playing the part of Valentine “Uncle Wall” Hatfield. Friday is the first performance, and History Channel’s “How The States Got Their Shapes” will be there filming an episode that morning.

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        • Excellent! Make sure you get into a few camera shots so we all can see you from doown here! Have a great time with the run.

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          • I plan on it. These tours are actually what got me started into acting and theatre. Back in 2001, we first started doing these monologues at the feud sites for the tours coming through. Pike Co. Tourism used to help with these tours of the actual feud sites, but the last few years have quit supporting it because quoting one former governor Patton, “It reflects poorly on the area.”. However, they can support a festival called Hillbilly Days, that promotes the stereotype that everyone here is backwoods, overall wearing, toothless, moonshining hilljacks. It upset me to no end yesterday, when the local news did a story at the tourism office, and tourism was talking about how much they enjoyed all the calls and visits this last week from people who are curious about the feud and would like to see where it took place. You can’t have it both ways. Either it looks bad on your area, or you are happy to promote it.

            They still are doing nothing for these tours this summer though. I am working with Logan and Mingo Co. tourism out of West Virginia now. They plan on making this an annual thing that will run from June until either August or September. So instead of being a one weekend a year thing, this is hoping to be a long-haul gig.

            I’ll have pictures taken this Friday, if you want, a copy of the monologue is posted on my facebook page if you’d like to read it.

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            • I’ll visit your fb page for regular updates on this. I heard last ngiht that KY is coming to FL this summer instead of the other way around. I guess you would have said something if you were going to be in that company.

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    • Fascinating … thanks Moe for the find and thanks Bryan for the scoop.

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  2. I noted this once at a museum in Mississippi and asked one of the ladies about it. She reported the same story.

    True or not, they certainly resemble each other.

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    • Just look at those cheekbones bruce! Wow.

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      • Just think what it would mean if proven that Nancy Hanks (Lincoln), did indeed have an affair with Samuel Davis. Both presidents, both born in Kentucky, both brothers. Would add a whole new meaning to the stereotype of the war being brother against brother. Would be something if DNA tests could be done to see if the two were indeed related, but not sure after all this time if a sample could be acquired.

        Here’s a couple more side by side comparisons:

        The kicker for me was always these two:

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        • Bryan, I’m really surprised that this rumor isn’t more deeply established outside Kentucky – at least it’s entirely new to me. The totallylookslike is amazing. I’m going to go gooble up some stories on it.

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          • 2015 and I’m 42 years old and just saw this picture. because we are adopting a child whose middle name is Jefferson and I Jefferson Davis on a whim. So the picture and thought it was Lincoln! Wow. How did I never see a picture of Jefferson Davis in 42 years!

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            • When I first saw the two photos side by side I was just speechless. Read down this thread for the back story. It’s all sounds true to me!

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  3. Here’s you some reading material, Moe. I’ll admit, it is poorly written and even more poorly sourced, but it does cover the biggest theories as to why some believe Samuel Davis is the real father of Abraham Lincoln.

    http://www.angelfire.com/planet/check/davis.html

    At the top of the page is a link to buy a book this guy wrote on the topic. If it was written anything like the page, I hope he had one awesome proofreader.

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    • Great! I love reading those ‘hand made’ history things . . . how’d the enactment go?

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      • So far so good. First two weeks are done, and there are no tours scheduled for this week, but we’ll be starting back again on the 26th.

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        • Great – break the other fingernail now . . .

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          • I meant ‘another’ fingernail. 😆

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            • Just curious if you ever got around to reading that link. Was wondering what your beliefs on the subject are after reading what his family said supposedly happened.

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              • I did! It sounds utterly plausible – and when we combine it with those pix (and others) honestly Bryan, I no longer have any doubt that they’re brothers and the link and the background there explains how it happened. I actually read a bit further and now can’t remember if the information that Lincoln’s father had no testicles was in that story or another. All so interesting. I have been pointing it out to other people – when they see the photos they just gasp.

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  4. That would be the $64,000 question. I wonder if it has anything to do with the possible changing of Lincoln’s legacy if it were more widely known? That the man who preserved the Union, freed the slaves, and went down as one of the greatest presidents in American history had to fight his brother who was leading the charge against his cause.

    Plus, there’s that whole not one shred of concrete evidence thing. Other than some hand-me-down family stories, there’s not really anything that proves the two are even related. I’m wanting to think a couple museums have locks of each of their hair, short of trying to get a DNA sample from it, the truth will probably never be known.

    It is a good mind stumper though, and amazing to watch people’s reactions when you show them a side-by-side photo for the first time.

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    • P.S.: Hadn’t noticed if you had written about former pornstar Jenna Jameson endorsing Romney this weekend. Not surprising that someone who switches positions more times than he does supports him.

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    • I saw Sandy (VLT) yesterday – she says hi! And I showed her this post to see the pix and she dropped her jaw. I think you have it right about why it isn’t out there – in fact, she and I said the same thing yesterday. It’s about how we need our mythical figures – and Lincoln certainly was one . Were he a less consequential prez, I’m sure we’d have known all about it earlier.

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      • Hey Moe, been in touch with Sandy a few times the last couple or weeks myself. If you see her, get her to show you some of the things I have sent her for the “Where are they now” project she has going on with former TTAP’ers. Sent her all of the better pictures I have from shows I have worked.

        Keeping on pace of the topic, have you seen the movie Lincoln yet? I haven’t. One of the two local theaters up here never showed it, and the other stayed so packed you couldn’t get tickets. Guess it’ll be a blu-ray purchase for me in the near future.

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        • I see Sandy all the time, so I’ll be sure to ask her! As for Lincoln – theatres here were mobbed – I couldn’t get in first time, so went back next day for the 10am show and got in. It’s wonderful in every way. Just wonderful. Keep trying; I think you’ll enjoy seeing it on the big screen. Not just is the story/script brilliant, but the visual acheivement is stunning. Brings us right there and right then. Let me know what you think aftter you see it.

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