Oh Florida, my Florida

As everyone knows, political conventioneers are the most decorous of visitors, which is why my Gov was quite annoyed yesterday when he indignantly denied a request from the Mayor of Tampa, host city to the upcoming RNC nominating convention. The Mayor had asked Scott to suspend concealed carry laws – only in the downtown  area and only for the duration of the convention.

That was too much for Scott: it would infringe on “sacred constitutional traditions” he said. Sacred. The ‘carry law’ is a precious’ right he said. Precious.

And, as any right thinking patriot knows, four days without the right to carry weapons anywhere that charged, partisan political folk gather, many of whom themselves will be carrying and many of whom will be falling down drunk (ever been to a political convention?) – why that would simply destroy our liberties and subject us forever to the whims of freedom-hating somethingorothers.

The head of the Brady Campaign said “nothing Florida does ever surprises me”. Ditto.

21 responses to “Oh Florida, my Florida

  1. Thank Goodness the Convention is overseen by the Secret Service….
    They WILL NOT let guns into the venue….

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  2. Moe, I recommend you hunker down and just watch the spectacle along with the rest of us. Frankly, the whole GOP primary has been just that to me, one huge spectacle, and it now seems headed for a spectacular denouement, perhaps now to juiced up by a gun incident or two. Romney, Ryan, Santorum, Gingrich, Rick Scott, Ron Paul, John McCain. Man, you can’t make this stuff up – nobody would believe it! My TV is warmed up and ready to go!

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    • Oh Jim, you can be sure I’ll be poppin’ the popcorn. This stuff is my Superbowl – thank elvis the two parties don’t do it at the same time!

      I think by the way,, that Romney is going to run into a bit more trouble than candiates usually do post primary when they pivot to the center.

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  3. The GOP needs their guns during the convention so that they can continue to shoot themselves in their own feet.

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  4. Suspending any law for special events is a bad precedent. That includes CCW laws – though I can actually understand the request. But then, I’d rather bear the burden of too much liberty than too little.

    I was also, and still am, against the “Free Speech” cages that both parties use at their conventions in order to “keep the peace” and “prevent violence.”

    And, if you think that a mob fight isn’t more dangerous than a man with a pistol, you’ve been in one or in a building that was on fire.

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    • We suspend all sorts of laws for special events. We restrict airspace, road traffic . . . suspending for 4 days is simply common sense and shouldn’t rise to the level of principle.

      I agree with you about those Orwellian ‘free speech’ zones. They are creepy and I’m sure quite unconstitutional. (and yes, I see the conflict with the gun thing but I think restricting speech – especially political speech in a political context – is much more dangerous than resticting guns)

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      • Yes we do, Moe. And, if you look at what the government is doing in Chicago for the upcoming NATO summit, you’ll see where it can lead. It’s more than a little scary with the no-fly zones, shoot-to-kill orders, and research into reopening Joliet prison in order to deal with “overflow” prisoners / arrestees.

        Suspending lower level laws and privileges is one thing, suspending basic rights – 1st or 2nd Amendments – is another.

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        • Actually, while people worry about whether doing a commonsensical thing like agreeing to changing the rules for a few days, we’ve really already forfeited much by allowing a frightening national security state to surround us.

          Dana Priest and William Arkin published a book last year called “Top Secret America”, which I just started last night. From it:

          Almost one million Americans have top secret clearance A quarter million contractors and 2000 companies work on top secret counterterrorism programs They do so at over 10,000 locations throughout the country Since 9/11, we’ve built 33 building complexes in DC alone for top secret work – 17million sq. ft.

          We produce 50,000 intelligence reports a year – ergo, routinely ignored No one in govt knows how much we spend on all this. No one.

          Local law enforcement is increasingly militarized, with high tech tools imported from our war zones – now being used to surveil political activists and ordinary citizens No one person is in charge of all this. Coordination is a myth

          And,, coming soon:
          1) a million sq. ft. facility in Utah for data collection – it will capture and store all – that’s ALL – digital communications from around the WORLD.
          2) a facility in Colorado is developing an intereactive ‘map’ of the US which will allow data accumulation to be assigned to specific persons and addresses, sufficient to profile everyone. Ultra hi-res viewing even into back yards, even – with ‘proper authorization’ – into buildings including private homes.

          That’s the REAL bad stuff

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          • Amazing, Moe! You’re more worried about someone knowing “your business” than about active restrictions of people’s rights and privileges.

            But then, if you’re reading Priest and Arkin, that’s to be expected. They do love to scare people in order to get some of Naomi Wolf’s marketshare.

            I’ll see if I can get you more data on that CO interactive map. I helped develop what they probably use – or the predecessor of it – as their core engine and did a lot of the base mapping for the US.

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            • The Supreme Court established a right to privacy many years ago.But I worry much more about Big Brother than I do about limits on gun use.In another thread here,, I speculated that the nat’l security state is converging with info gleaned from social networking, online activity of all kinds, google etc. A great deal of this can be said to be ‘voluntary’ just like eating junk food is voluntary. But are we creating a world that one has to opt out of to avoid the big brother? Is that what we as a society should be aiming for? Are we a society at all or just consumers?

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              • More accurately, the SCOTUS concocted a “right to privacy” out of whole cloth and has since used it unwisely.

                But there’s one difference between us; you worry about what is known and I worry about what actions are forbidden.

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                • You say ‘concocted’, I say interpreted from the Constitution. After all, they are judges, and we expect judges to use judgement.

                  Not sure what yu mean re known vs forbidden..

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                • Anytime a SCOTUS judge makes a Constitutional ruling based upon the Penumbra of the Constitution he or she is making things up as they go along. It rarely works out well in the long run because of how those vague foundations for the ruling are later abused.

                  As for known v. forbidden – you’re worried about what the government knows about you and what you do whereas I’m worried about what that I might do that they’d forbid and/or criminalize irrespective of whether or not that they knew that I specifically would do it.

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                • Every rulilng involves a judgement. The Constitutional language is spare, meanings change over the centuries . . . what are we charging the justices to do if not to judge?

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          • And how much is all this dare I use the word “overkill” costing us while roads crumble, schools go without teachers and over 2 million children don’t get enough to eat.

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  5. and I ask again, why do we live here? Surely there must be other places with palm trees and hurricanes.

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  6. You guiys do realize this gun issue is a great big loser for you. Plus a gun ban only stops those obeying the law from being armed . I don’t know why you believe that banning guns will stop anyone from using a weapon . It only guarantees no one will shoot back .

    It sure sounds as if you are all hoping for a gun incident . It would be great TV for you guys, huh ? You never hear us talking like that .

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