I’m actually sorry Obama did this. I don’t believe in responding to conspiracy theorists with facts; it ends up making no difference. Wait for the newly minted pronouncements on what’s wrong with that birth certificate to emerge. They will.
Donald Trump wants to know how Obama got into those Ivy League colleges. He thinks it must be affirmative action, because Trump ‘heard’ that Obama’s grades weren’t all that great.
You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy. But you cannot have both.
Whatever Works 
Actually, Obama should have done this day one, just as McCain did when the fundamentally same question (Panama or Kenya, same-same for this purpose 😉 ) came up about his eligibility.
Also, at a conservative estimate 33% of Americans are / were in doubt of Obama’s birthplace and eligibility. I think that goes past “conspiracy theorists.”
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They weren’t the same issue at all. No one doubted McCain was born where he said he was. It was a constitutional question since he wan’t born in any of the 50 states, and was quickly resolved as I recall.
The birthers would not beleive Obama was born where he said he was.
Big difference.
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Yes, the Liberals and their minority made a bit of a play about the details of McCains birth (whether or not it was actually in the Canal Zone) but McCain shut it down right away.
Obama, on the other hand, chose to hide everything instead and claim the People had no standing to complain in court. That is what created what you derogatorily call the “Birthers.”
Now, in 2011, you’re right. They won’t believe anything that Obama says. I can’t see why they should, all things considered. Obama has a track record for truthfulness somewhat less illustriousness than the average confidence trickster or backstreet grifter.
But it’s all good for Obama; this is exactly what he wanted in the first place. He can win on the strength of his racism and his followers’ racism and/or ethno-guilitism whereas he could never win based upon the content of his character or his actions.
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You’re killing me here. So in 2008 there was no difference between a candidate who was assumed to have told the truth and a candidate who was charged with lying about the same subject? It wasn’t about producing birth certificates or anything of the sort – it was about refusing to believe what the CANDIDATE said.
And jonolan, assigning racism to Obama is an astonishing claim. This ‘ethno-guiltism’ you seem to see in Obama’s pressidency? IF you are talking about his election, what I saw was pride – pride that we as a people were able to travel the road from the ugliness of slavery and racist laws to electing a black president. We – the MAJORITY who elected Obama – were very proud of ourselves. Go ahead and call it guilt. I see it quite differently.
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I honestly can’t tell you much about whether McCain’s words were believed or not. He, unlike Obama, backed those words up immediately by submitting evidence for review, evidence that some picked apart much like they’ve picked part Obama’s.
As for the majority – Yeah, all the Blacks voted for him in the Primary, mostly for no reason beyond his race (racism). And a whole lot of Whites did so as well so as to prove they weren’t racist (ethno-guiltism).
And yes, you’re all so filled with “pride that we as a people were able to travel the road from the ugliness of slavery and racist laws to electing a black president” because you can’t see that this is why he was elected – to be a token.
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Love the pix! The Donald will do anything to boost his awful Celebrity Apprentice ratings.
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The Donald’s hair looks like a Dairy Queen softserve.
And the fact that 33% of Americans think Obama isn’t eligible doesn’t mean they’re any more correct in their assumption than all the people in France who think Jerry Lewis is a great comedian….
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Correct or not doesn’t matter. The matter was plainly in doubt in both candidates’ cases, but only one – McCain, the one who couldn’t use the situation to paint the opposition as racists – did the right thing.
Face it when 33%+ of America believes something, it’s not a “conspiracy theory;” it’s an issue that needs to be dealt with in a timely manner.
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I love the Dairy Queen softserve comment! Heard Trump being interviewed on NPR this morning and he said, “I am happy to take the credit for this great moment.” Also, he thought we should take a good hard look at it and make sure it is (his word) PROPER!!!!
I agree with you Moe and am dissappointed the White House released it. It would be a good result if this issue was put to rest, but I don’t believe it will be.
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The nutters will not give up, and it will just keep going on and on and…..
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But man he should’ve done this a loooooong time ago… now it just looks like he lost the first round against the Donald.
And if the economy and Libya/MENA is managed in the same way silly issue – pretending it’s not there until it’s too late – we have lots more problems in the coming…
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I was kinda pissed he did it as well, but then I thought, well, they won’t quit, because it’s never been about the birth, so anyone in the middle who was thinking that perhaps there was something to it, will now be clear there isn’t and that means votes. I posted an entire thing on Blaze comments on this…they are simply hysterical. Racism remains alive and well among the brain dead.
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Sherry ,
It is partisanship at it’s best, not racism . If the shoe were on the other foot your guys would have beat this horse to death too . Yes they would have .
I think Boehner and Ryan should hire Trump as a negotiator when they are forced to deal with the President . Donald Trump did something no other person could do , get Barak to produce that little piece of paper .
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Trump as a negotiator? How many times has he declared bankruptcy?
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All the more reason he makes a good negotiator. Bankruptcy, and coming out of it with as much of your resources as possible intact, is a negotiation process. That Trump has negotiated from position of strength and of weakness is a benefit.
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Don ,
” Trump as a negotiator? How many times has he declared bankruptcy? ”
Personally , I believe , never . His companies at least twice filed bankruptcy . But you make my point . With the two bankruptcies people continue to do business with him . You or I would never be able to negotiate that .
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Court jester. Town fool. National shame. No developed country could possibly take America seriously when idiocy like this controls the media. When I stop to think that there are actually large numbers of Americans think The Donald is intelligent and capable (although we’ll probably never know what those numbers actually are!), I embrace the elitist label.
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And when you stop to think that there are actually large numbers of Americans who believe evolution is a myth and the world is 6000 years old . . . I try not to, but I despair with you Nance.
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Perhaps his strategy was to allow the most ridiculous clowns to follow the Birthers like rats to the Piper. Then force the Republicans to choose between joining with the looniest of the loons or carving a sharp division. Just a thought.
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My belief is that it’s cheap campaigning for him.
Obama’s lost a lot of his base – except for the Blacks – and reviving the birth certificate controversy is a probably effective and definitely cheap way of “firing up” that base again. He may not be able to get their support like in 2008, but he can get them to attack his enemies – i.e., they won’t vote for Obama but he can get them to vote against anyone running against him.
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In ’08 it was a vote against – even though Bush wasn’t the candidate, it was a repudiation of his policies. Worked once, could easily work again, especially if the GOP can’t shake the crazy candidate wing.
As for Trump, not only is it cheap campaigning, it’s free advertising – let’s see what’s what after the next round of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’!
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I live in a country of retards. THIS is what concerns Americans? All this rucus over whether Hawaii is a state and if the president was born there or not.
MEANWHILE…
back in the real world, the evil corporations who burned “We the People…” are clamping down the shackles, YOUR shackles, it started with the ‘un-patriot act.’ Day by day, your rights are violated and striped, the middle class is now a dead horse and the pigs have invaded the house, dancing on the tables and wearing mens clothes. All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others, eh comrade?
But wait! He might be a Muslim. Don’t forget the price of gas is all Obama’s fault, right? Conservative? No my friends, just retards. Why aren’t the morons asking why we are still in Afghanistan? Oh, right, war is good for the economy, stupid me. I live in an entire nation of dumb slaves getting dumber everyday. Get a clue, oh wait, here it is.
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Oh, I forgot, anyone try to get a passport lately? Better hurry, they are trying to lock you in. Sadly, no one respects or wants Americans in their countryies anyway because we are stupid.
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See, look how I spelled Countries. Case in point. Stupid. 🙂
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What’s going on with passports?
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To start, they nearly doubled their fees from $60 to $110 over the last year, plus they are trying to discourage people from getting passports similar to how TSA is here to discourage us from flying. They (State Department) are trying to legislate that a full history of every place and residency any American has ever lived in must be documented if an American wants a passport. (With a thick German accent) Let me see your paperz, pleaze.
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It’s not that big of a deal. Most people have to fill out almost that much on the average job application. See: http://papersplease.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ds5513-proposed.pdf
It’s a not surprising step for them to take in these days of identity theft.
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shortbuswonderkid ,
” To start, they nearly doubled their fees from $60 to $110 over the last year, plus they are trying to discourage people from getting passports similar to how TSA is here to discourage us from flying. They (State Department) are trying to legislate that a full history of every place and residency any American has ever lived in must be documented if an American wants a passport. (With a thick German accent) Let me see your paperz, pleaze. ”
You do realize that Obama, not Republicans is running that operation now ??
Now listen up, everyone . I have a new phrase for you , ” anarcho-tyranny ” . It is when a government can’t handle big issues , so to compensate, it tyrannically enforces trivial offences .
Our almighty Federal Government cannot stop illegal drugs and refuses to stop illegal aliens from crossing our borders . However, do not despair. We do get something for the millions or is it billions we spend on border security . What could it be ? ———————–I’m glad you asked .
Kinder eggs . Very popular in such dangerous places as Europe, Australia, and Canada . They are a chocolate egg . The problem is they have a toy inside , which American toddlers might eat and choke on . Last year the government seized 25,000 of them that were being brought into the country .
But, you say that you don’t have kids and you are a collector of such oddities . Well , Tough Situation, Pal . I for one sleep much better that we are protected from people like you who want to bring harmful things into my country .
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Thanks for the insight Scott. I agree when a government can’t handle big issues, it must compensate and tyrannically enforces trivial offences. I do bend to the left, but I am not a big fan of Obama. I am not convinced that he is any more than a better talker than the last yo-yo. I also acknowledge that I don’t want his job, nor could my shoulders bear the aweful weight he carries. Sadly, my derivative argument is that we don’t have a government anymore, not by the people for the people. Call it a Corporate Aristocracy, or even call it fascism. Unless you are the CEO for Frito/Lay, Mobile Gas Co., Pfizer Pharmaceuticals, or some other Forbes 500 gang-cartel, you have no voice. That is my point, we are slowly being reduced to slaves and nothing is going to change that unless we all wake up real fast. Does anyone remember the value of a Govt. that protected the Bill of Rights? Does anyone care?
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Oh, and I am also relieved that kinder eggs have been stopped. 25,000 american kids have been saved from potential harm. It is good that potential harm is averted at our border for the low cost of billions of borrowed yen from China.
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shortbuswonderkid ,
I bend far to the right and do not fear corporations, well maybe GE . One last point . ” Does anyone remember the value of a Govt. that protected the Bill of Rights? ”
The Constitution, and certainly the Bill of Rights are to protect us ‘From the Government ‘ . Our Founding Fathers had just throw off an oppressive government .They tried a weak central government, under the Articles of Confederation which was a disaster . They founded a strong central government but, the protections in the Constitution were because they feared that government , not corporations .
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Alan, they feared consolidated power. There weren’t any corporations really – Lincoln saw them coming and was very disturbed to see capital organizing. He knew the dangers in that.
And honestly, if you don’t beleive that the stateless corporations of the 21st century are harming us and actually defend their predatory behavior, good luck to you. Who needs protection after all from those who would feed us poison food or foul our air and water.
Let the Ferrengi rule.
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Ms. Holland ,
You have a habit of bringing up topics and names a few months after I discarded relevant material . I do not have the room to keep the hard copy articles I come across nor do I have the time to digitize it all .
I had a whole bunch of stuff on Lincoln and capital formation . All kinds of quotes that show Lincoln thoroughly believed that capital organizing and formation was the way a working stiff like he started out as , could become comfortably wealthy and hire other poor souls and start them on the road to prosperity .
Now as I have failed to produce the proof of what I just said , I don’t suppose you have material that supports your view ?
Oh, and it is spelled ‘ Ferengi ‘ . And Quark was my favorite character . An alien Donald Trump with a heart instead of the hair . 🙂
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Yes, I became quite fond of Quark. And thanks for the spelling correction.
I could probably do the link thing with you (although the best source is Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book Team of Rivals) – but my point is/was that it wasnt overarching government per say that the Founders wanted to protect the people from – it was all forms of consolidated power. And today we see that in the stateless corporate world. And you know I don’t mean the dry cleaner down the street.
They worried about consolidated power and they worried about the tyranny of the majority. They were really something.
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