Here’s what I heard today

I heard Glenn Beck today. I’ve never listened to his radio show for more than two-three minutes at a stretch, but I do stop by periodically to measure the crazy.

Let me set the stage for his amazing claim today: an element of the theology of Shia Islam is that, like many religions, they await a sort of ‘messiah’, known as the Twelfth Iman. Okay, ordinary religious stuff – the theology is of course deep and complex, but it’s pretty much about a messiah. (Perhaps blogfriend umersultan can flesh this out for us.)

So, Beck. I tuned in and found out he’s making a documentary – and he’s going to show his viewers how remarkably the Twelfth Imam sounds exactly like the dreaded anti-Christ.

We shouldn’t let this man anywhere near a microphone.

28 responses to “Here’s what I heard today

  1. You know… there have always been the Beck’s of the world. However, in years past he would have been standing in shabby clothes on a crate on a street corner shouting his tripe – and no one would be listening.
    I’m begining to think it isn’t the Beck’s who are different, it is a large segment of our population.
    He’s frightening, his audience is more so.

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  2. well, actually it was thom hartmann, but yes. it was me. I don’t think my points are mutually exclusive.

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    • They’re not. Beck is the guy standing on the orange crate in the park writ large. And your second point – before cable news and talk radio, most people chuckled a litlte and walked on by. No more – they stand there, rapt and increasingly paranoid.

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  4. shortbuswonderkid

    That is awesome. Maybe Limbaugh can double-up and they can discover the true identity of the dreaded Tooth Fairy. CNN Breaking News, Santa’s Hidden Toy Factory in the North Pole Discovered — not elves, but trafficed dwarfs forced to work in inhumane conditions!!!

    Thank you Glenn Beck, root out the anti-christ for us. My hero.

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    • Have you heard he’s making a documentary in which he wants to alert the world that the promised Messiah in Islam, the Twelfth Imam, is looking a lot like the anti-Christ. Beck knows, cuz he can see into the future dontcha know.

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  6. Ms. Holland,

    ” We shouldn’t let this man anywhere near a microphone. ”

    Mr. Beck is a private citizen, conducting a legal business. People want to listen to him. Why do liberals always want to censor and silence those they disagree with ?

    ” Let me set the stage for his amazing claim today: an element of the theology of Shia Islam is that, like many religions, they await a sort of ‘messiah’, known as the Twelfth Iman. ”

    Just perhaps if you listened to Mr. Beck for more than a few minutes, you could catch his context. It is not whether there is a twelfth iman, not whether you believe he exists. Not even whether Glen Beck believes in him.

    Our enemies who run Iran believe in the twelfth iman. The Ayotolla and President Ahmadinejad use the twelfth iman as a rallying cry to animate their terrorist followers. Glad I could clear that up for you.

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    • shortbuswonderkid

      So. Christians await the return of Christ, Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, and children all over the world are waiting for Santa’s return. Why should Muslims be any less worthy of a savior?

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    • So if I understand, Iranians beleive in the Twelfth Imam, so it’s perfectly fine to outrage the rest of Shia Muslims in the world? Like Iraq for instance, where Shia are the majority.

      You always ask like ‘do I want to censor those I disagree with’. The answer is a resounding no. Resounding no. Let the FOX news people go at it – they’re free to do so. And I”m free to criticize them, which I do all the time. That is not a call for censorship.

      But I will add that Beck is a whole different thing. It’s not for nothing that national advertisers have fled his show in droves – they cannot afford to be associated with such dangerous talk. Beck is becoming dangerous. He’s using eliminationist language. I just wish he’d break an FCC law, but he is very careful not to cross certain lines. His current anti-Semitism campaign is calculated. He’d lead a pogrom if he could. Either that or he’s a total media whore fraud, which is another possiblity.

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  7. Mr. Scott,
    No true liberals actually believe he should be officially silenced. What we mean is that our society should be smart enough that he wouldn’t have an audience or advertisers.
    That being said, you still aren’t allowed to shout fire in a crowded theater, or use language in intentionally incite violence, create a clear and present danger, slander others, be obscene, or create conflict with other legitimate social or governmental issues. I’d say Beck flirts dangerously close with several of those limitations.

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  8. The Conservative Lie,

    ” No true liberals actually believe he should be officially silenced. What we mean is that our society should be smart enough that he wouldn’t have an audience or advertisers. ”

    Have you ever listened to an Olbermann psycho rant before he became too nuts for even MSNBC to continue to employ ? ‘ His ‘ corporate advertisers always puzzled me. So anyway I suppose those are not ‘ true liberals ‘ who whenever they get enough political power , always threaten to use the ‘ Fairness Doctrine ‘ to shutdown the opposition voices on talk radio. You know kinda like Hugo Chavez , ‘ fellow liberal ‘ , sorry that wasn’t fair, shutdown or seized all radio stations that aired anything he did not like in Venezuela.

    Ms. Holland,

    ” You always ask like ‘do I want to censor those I disagree with’. The answer is a resounding no. Resounding no. ”

    However, you said ” We shouldn’t let this man anywhere near a microphone. ”

    It sounds like,,,to little ole me,,, like a call for censorship. Like, if only we could just get a few more seats in both Houses of Congress, we Democrats could ban these hate mongers from the public airwaves and our power would be secure.

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    • The Fairness Doctrine was introduced in 1949 and has never ever been used to silence anyone. It “required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission’s view, honest, equitable and balanced”, which is perfectly reasonable. Does not FOX News advertise itself as Fair and Balanced, suggesting that’s a standard to which we shuld all aspire?

      Always remember, we own the airwaves, and broadcasters get to use them at our discretion.

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  9. Does the Twelfth Iman that Beck fears have a name that sounds sort of like Osama?

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    • Hi Thomas! Been a while, so Happy New Year.

      Osama will do just fine. Apparently so will Obama. If there were no Twelfth Imam, he’d find someone to make his audience afraid of.

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  10. Ms. Holland,

    ” The Fairness Doctrine was introduced in 1949 and has never ever been used to silence anyone. ”

    You do not actually have to hit someone with a stick for it to be assault. Just threaten to use the stick and it is a weapon. The Fairness Doctrine is a big stick. Capisce ?

    ” It “required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission’s view, honest, equitable and balanced”, which is perfectly reasonable. ”

    I bet Hugo Chavez used those words when he shut down opposition radio stations. I bet President Mubarek is using that logic right now in Egypt with social media and cell phones.

    ” Does not FOX News advertise itself as Fair and Balanced, suggesting that’s a standard to which we shuld all aspire? ”

    Compared to the rest of the media, yea Fox is definitely fair and way more balanced than the legacy media. Besides, you have once again clouded the issue by bringing in FoxNews which is not on the public airwaves.

    ” Always remember, we own the airwaves, and broadcasters get to use them at our discretion. ”

    No one is keeping Liberals off of the public airwaves. It is not Conservative talk radio’s fault that Liberals can’t draw an audience there. In fact I do not know why you guys are so fascinated by talk radio when there are all these other media venues. Talk Radio saved AM radio from extinction after it lost the music business to FM in the 1970s.

    Thomas,
    ” Does the Twelfth Iman that Beck fears have a name that sounds sort of like Osama? ”

    I don’t know. Do you think they rhyme ?

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  11. We managed to survive as a free nation for the 40 years the Fairness Doctrine was in effect. Hugo Chavez? Mubarek? I don’t recall any revolutions or a police state in those 40 years, do you?

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  12. At this point, nothing Beck says surprises me anymore.

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  13. Ms. Holland,

    ” We managed to survive as a free nation for the 40 years the Fairness Doctrine was in effect. Hugo Chavez? Mubarek? I don’t recall any revolutions or a police state in those 40 years, do you? ”

    Yes because the fairness doctrine was never, as far as I know, misused to silence political opposition. That is what Democrats always threaten when they have power.

    Talk radio makes money for the AM stations. If your liberal buddies could draw an audience, then all talk radio would be liberal . To force AM stations to balance Conservative programing with liberal talk that AM audiences do not want to listen to, would shut down talk radio because the AM stations would lose money. Remember Air America ? However, your guys do fine on satellite radio and cable tv and print media. I guess that is not enough.

    Getting back to Mubarek and Chavez . They are doing what American Liberals can only dream about doing,,,,someday.

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    • As if there are no Right-leaning fanatics who have never called for the silencing of their political opponents. Ann Coulter and a number like her have gone so far as to demand the disenfranchisement of specific groups of people to weaken their political opposition. Many have prayed for the deaths of their opponents.

      Censorship-loving fanaticism isn’t the sole domain of the left…

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    • [Talk radio makes money for the AM stations. If your liberal buddies could draw an audience, then all talk radio would be liberal ]

      Liberals have a huge audience – in print. The NY Times and Washington Post between them SELL almost 3 million papers a day. People PAY MONEY to read them. Unlike talk radio. All the large circulation pubs (always called ‘liberal’ – Time, Newsweek etc have huge paid subscriptions. Unlike say The Washington Times, one of the ‘premier conservative papers’; they sell 37,000 a day. Also – the ‘liberal’ pubs are publicly traded companies. The Wash Times is privately owned and makes no profit.

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    • [Yes because the fairness doctrine was never, as far as I know, misused to silence political opposition.]
      WHICH IS WHAT I SAID
      [That is what Democrats always threaten when they have power.]
      I have never heard the Fariness doctrine even mentioned in the last decade except by conservatives who always say the evil Dems want it back so they can shut down talk radio. Would you care to direct me to any official Democrat calling for restoration of the Fairness Doctrine? (commenters on blogs don’t count)

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  14. D.I.D. ,

    ” Ann Coulter and a number like her have gone so far as to demand the disenfranchisement of specific groups of people to weaken their political opposition. ”

    What exactly are you talking about ?

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    • Straight from the horse’s mouth buddy:

      http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=395
      – repeal of the US Constitution’s 26th Amendment: disenfranchisement of 18-26 year olds

      She’s also on record for demanding the disenfranchisement of women, but given that I found no such sentiment on her site, it was likely a misunderstanding or a gaffe over-hyped, but it would be consistant with her history.

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    • http://thinkexist.com/quotation/we_should_invade_their_countries-kill_their/343457.html

      OF THE MUSLIM WORLD
      ““We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
      AFTER OKALHOMA CITY
      “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building”

      Of course, that’s not talking about disenfranchising people, that’s talking about only killing them.

      She has often proposed a return to votes only for people of property. But I guess she doens’t want to go all the way back to men only, but back to property only is okay with her.

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