The bush league of the punditocracy

A conversation on the teevee this morning about an idiot statement by Sen. Jon Kyl who apparently questioned the Christian faith of Harry Reid. Dumb and dumber.

The jibber jabber on Morning Joe has been quite reasonable. But then I heard that Christian ego in a sweater, Joe Scarborough, say “This is the most sacred holiday for Christians.”

No Joe, it is not. Not even close. I’m neither a practicing nor believing Christian like you, but I do know this – Christmas is NOT the most sacred Christian day. That would be Easter, the day that celebrates the central event of Christianity. Christmas is the most sacred of holidays for Macy’s.

The ’round table’ of regulars nodded sagely, as they always do, because a job is a job.

21 responses to “The bush league of the punditocracy

  1. Christmas is actually a pagan holiday, celebrating the winter solstice. Jesus was believed to have been born some time in mid-September. Christians just adapted the pagan holiday to attract more membership into their cult.

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  2. Hah, that’s embarrassing. But at least Joe has started this no-label campaign of his – insisting that $4 trillion in tax cuts is indeed loss of revenue.

    Kyl is breaking new records every day, in being a shameless crook. They just love this game now – taking hostages and humiliating the president.

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    • Kyl – as of this a.m. anyway – is quickly becoming a bit of a pariah for saying how put out he was to have to work at Christmas (he said htis ten days before Christmas) – a statement not apt ot be popular with working people out there who are expected to be on the job right up to Christmas eve or even thru the day.

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  3. Maybe that “ego in a sweater” mistook religious significance for heavy commercialization. Easter doesn’t get nearly as much attention in contemporary materialistic Western society as Christmas, so some would make the mistake that it must be more important.

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  4. Ms. Holland,

    You know for a bunch o non believers you guys sure seem to have an obsession with Christianity. I can see you attacking it when it conflicts with your passions for gay marriage, abortion, etc. To argue which is more sacred, Christmas or Easter, Jesus birth or his death must say something about you guys. Maybe you are jealous. Christianity has endured Atheists for two thousand years. I’m betting it will still be here after no one remembers who any of you guys were . Or me for that matter.

    I think you guys are really afraid you are wrong. What if,, wait Steve Martin did a routine, I think in the 1970s that says it all.

    “Wouldn’t it be weird if you died, and you woke up, and you were in heaven? Just like they always told you? Everybody had wings on? And pearly gates? Wouldn’t you feel stupid?
    Awwww man—- You mean this is all real? In college they told me this was all bullshit—- Well, I’ll just come in—- What? You’ve been keeping records on me? Well I wasn’t so bad—- How many times did I take the Lords name in vain? — Ewwww—–a million-six? Jesus Chrrr—-”

    🙂

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    • Alan – there is no question at all about Christmas or Easter. There is not even any equivalency. I had 14 years of Catholic education, a priest brother, am deeply familiar with the liturgy and teachings – at least of the Catholic Church.

      Easter is sacred. Easter is the Pentacost. Christianity began that very day. Holy Week before Easter is sacred. Christmas is . . . ? Christmas is a minor holiday which, as Ben said, was simply a convenient adaptation of the Winter Solstice, a very popular fesitval back in the day of the Apostles. The early Church (2nd century) appropriated it as the ‘birthday’ of Jesus.

      How can one be a Christian and not know the difference?

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      • Yes, Easter is a sacred holy day. It’s a solemn occasion when a rabbit brings colored hardboiled eggs to little boys and girls.

        Rabbits and eggs are pagan fertility symbols. So what the heck do they have to do with children? Sounds a little depraved to me.

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        • The entire way that religions over the millenia have adapted each others rituals, hold people, origin stories and insisted they are original to the religion.

          Ever read Joseph Campbell’s The Power of Myth? It’s a wow. Published maybe 20-30 years ago.

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  5. Do you think anyone ever takes Joe aside after the show to go over his asinine comments of the morning or do they just let him go on like that? (sigh) I have a hard time with that show and don’t watch it any more unless I feel that my blood pressure needs a jolt.

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    • I feel exactly the same. I keep trying to watch it but Mica makes my teeth hurt and Joe makes me scream in an empty house at an inert monitor! Pretty much, if the TV is on in the am, it’s Washington Journal on CSpan.

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  6. As a Deist (former practicing Christian), I can attest that Christmas is not a sacred holiday at all. If you must know the truth, the early church never celebrated Christmas at all. Constantine reformed Christianity to appeal to and convert Pagans. As a matter of fact, many of the customs and beliefs practiced by Catholics and many Protestant denominations are based on the reforms brought about by Constantine.

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  7. It’s humorous how even pagans believed in a spiritual world. They lived close to nature in a very primitive world. Whether they lived, died, or prospered was often a matter of chance. They had relatively little control over what occurred in their lives. Spirituality gave them a coping mechanism and a way of understanding the random fortune that controlled their lives.

    Contrast that with your modern American leftist, who believes that science gives him control of his destiny. Since he has no God, there is no one to appeal to when bad things happen. No one to thank when a loved one makes a miraculous recovery from serious illness, or he walks away unscathed from a car wreck. Poor soul. No evil spirit to blame when something really horrible happens like the midterm elections.

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    • The American leftist has no god? Are you frackin’ kidding? Or do you think that I miraculously speak for the tens of millions of Americans on the left?

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    • Also meant to ask this – when you say:
      “No one to thank when a loved one makes a miraculous recovery from serious illness, or he walks away unscathed from a car wreck”
      that seems to indicate that you can also blame god for when it doens’t go so well and gramma kicks the old bucket instead of recovering?

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  8. Ms. Holland,

    ” that seems to indicate that you can also blame god for when it doens’t go so well and gramma kicks the old bucket instead of recovering? ”

    Yes you can. Job did.

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    • So god makes bad things happen and god makes good things happen. Who needs a god then – bad things happen and good things happen just fine without a diety.

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  9. Ms. Holland,

    Who am I to argue with 14 years of a Catholic education? I heard a lot of bad stories about the Catholics of the 30s, 40s, and 50s. My Protestant maternal grandmother told me how they burned down the Protestant Churches to get our song books. That I did not believe even as a small child. My Mother told me how the Catholic Priest yelled at her that we were all going to burn in hell and her marriage wasn’t legal because it wasn’t Catholic which was what my father was raised.

    Then a friend was telling me how in the 30s as his father was dying and he was about 6 the Priest called him a bastard and said he was the reason his father was sick, because his mother raised him Presbyterian . The Priest was Irish, which in his opinion they were the most intolerant.

    I bring this up because you having been raised Irish Catholic apparently at some point in your life rejected the entire Christian message. Myself, the holy rollers of my Protestant childhood turned me off to religion for a long time. I came back to it, not the least because I grew to dislike the political left who constantly attack it. The enemy of my enemy is my friend thing.

    Your 14 years of training certainly trumps my self taught religious education . But I never run from an argument.

    ” So god makes bad things happen and god makes good things happen. Who needs a god then – bad things happen and good things happen just fine without a diety. ”

    I happen to believe that it does matter what you say and do. That someone up there is watching and listening.

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    • [because you having been raised Irish Catholic apparently at some point in your life rejected the entire Christian message]

      Not at all Alan. I’m not a christian, just as I’m not a buddhist, but both religions and thier prophets I honor and respect mostly. And I try to adhere to a moral code that shares much with organized religion. And I beleive I would have the same moral code I do without any religious training, most of which is inherent in the human condition.

      [I happen to believe that it does matter what you say and do. That someone up there is watching and listening.]

      And I believe it matters too. I just don’t beleive that someone is up there watching.

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