That didn’t count

If Obama does it, he hates America. And it doesn’t make any difference at all if Bush did it too, because, well, Bush wasn’t a Kenyan born black Muslim elitist.

It seems Obama has asked that terrifyingly Muslim imam, director of the Cordoba Institute in New York near Ground Zero, to attend a dialogue in the Middle East and speak about being a Muslim in America. He asked, because Feisal Abdul Rauf is an old hand at this. He did it for Bush.

Yup, George Bush sent Rauf on a friend-making tour to the Arab world with Bush staffer Karen Hughes, where they visited multiple countries and were part of the February 2006 U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar.

But still, outrage is always good television.  Just ask Hannity and Gingrich on FOX. (The video won’t embed dammit – and it’s a good one. If I have the time and energy, I’ll try to find another one and save you, gentle reader, from the arduous task of clicking through.)

Gingrich is offensive here. Just offensive. I love the part where he says this imam deliberately bought that property to be controversial. Cordoba Institute bought the property before 9/11. I expect this ignorant nonsense from the ratings whore Hannity. Gingrich here shows himself to be completely without a concern for the national good and utterly contemptuous of the US Constitution. But then, these guys have never been big fans of the Bill of Rights.

9 responses to “That didn’t count

  1. You’re forgetting, Moe – IOKIYAR. And that’s the only time it’s okay.


    • Oh yeah, I keep forgetting. And I love how they think Gingrich is an ‘intellectual’ – he was like an Assistant History Professor at some school noboby ever heard of.


  2. Ms. Holland,

    I’m just trying to figure out why President Obama is copying Bush’s strategy. I mean Obama said many times that Bush failed and caused the World to hate us. Obama copied Bush’s Iraq surge in Afghanistan. As far as I know Obama is still using Bush’s ‘illegal’ wiretaps. I guess Barak is just a chip off of the old Bush.


  3. I guess Barak is just a chip off of the old Bush.

    A lot of liberals are making the same guess.


  4. Ms. Holland,

    I would give you a better argument but I am dissatisfied with the level of information I can find on this topic. Is the situation the same with this Imam in both cases, the Bush trip and the Obama trip ? Little details that I normally can call up are escaping me .


    • Philip J. Crowley, Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs, in reponse to the brou-ha-ha said recently:

      ” . . . the department’s public-diplomacy offices “have a long-term relationship with” Rauf – including during the past Bush administration, when the religious leader undertook a similar speaking tour.” [This is the one where he traveled with Karen Hughes and they ran a workshop in Qatar.]

      From TPM (the original link in my post):
      “when Bush adviser Karen Hughes was appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, the Bush Administration saw improving America’s standing among Muslims abroad as a part of its national security strategy. . . Hughes set up listening tours, attended meetings and worked with interfaith groups that — shocking, by today’s Republican standards — included actual Muslims. One of those people was Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf .”

      Rauf was never a national figure. His inclusion in these sorts of things was well under the radar, as it would normally have been this time (the current admin has asked him to join another ‘speaking tour’). Because of his low national profile previously, there isn’t a great deal that you’re going to find out there. (Now, however, he’s all over the news as he’s being accussed of everything and called a terrorist sympathizer.)

      But within the diplomatic world working to mitigate tensions between East and West, he’s a prominent figure.

      Here are some books and articles he’s written (note his co-authors):
      What’s Right with Islam: a New Vision for Muslims and the West (HarperCollins, 2004) (An Indonesian language edition was published in 2007 titled Seruan Azan Dari Puing WTC: Dakwah Islam di Jantung Amerika Pasca 9/11 which translates as A Call to Prayer from the WTC Rubble: Islamic Dawah from the Heart of America Post 911 [29])
      Islam: A Sacred Law (Threshold books, 2000)
      Islam: A Search for Meaning (Mazda, 1996)

      Chapters and other pieces in publications:
      “Preventing Chaos.” The Star (Malaysia). 9 Mar. 2008.
      “Asceticism in Islam.” Cross Currents. Winter, 2008, (vol. 57 No. 4) ed. by Pederson, Kusumita.
      “The Ideals We Share.” Newsweek. 31 July 2007. with Khan, Daisy.
      “The End of Barbarism: The Phenomenon of Torture and the Search for Common Good.” Pursuing the Global Common Good: Principle and Practice in US Foreign Policy. Washington, DC: Center for American Progress, 2007. with William F. Schulz, ed. by Steenland, Sally et al.
      “What is Sunni Islam?” in Voices of Islam: Voices of Tradition, vol. 1 of 3, ed. Vincent J. Cornell. Westport: Praeger Publishers, 2007.
      “Al-Qaeda’s Greatest Fear may be US Leaving Iraq.” Aspen Times. 11 Oct. 2006. with Bennett, John.
      Arab Reform Final Report. New York: Council on Foreign Relations, 2005. with Albright, Madeleine, et al.
      “Bringing Muslim Nations into the Global Century.” Fortune Magazine. 18 Oct. 2004.


  5. Ms. Holland,

    Since you brought in to the conversation the fact that Karen Hughes under the Bush administration sent Mr. Rauf on fence mending missions to the Middle East, I thought it relevant to get Ms. Hughes thoughts on the matter. Providence smiles on the prepared. I just happened to come across this article by Karen Hughes.


  6. I actually read that column the other day Alan. It’s not relevant to my point. If she thinks it shouldn’t be built there, fine. I disagree, but what the hell. He column in no way disputes anything in pointed out in my post. (Although she does fail to mention that when she sat on that panel in Doha, Imam Rauf was sitting there with her.)

    She also says “I recognize that I am asking the imam and his congregation to show a respect that has not always been accorded to them. But what a powerful example that decision would be.”

    Frankly, I think she’s got that upside down. Al Quaeda HATES Sufi Muslims -Bin Laden has bombed a few of their ‘humanist’ centers in Islamic countries for being insufficiently Islamic (i.e., modern). There will be two messages to the Muslim world.
    1. Holy shit, they caved in to religious extremists. Bin Laden must be happy.
    2. The Americans talk a big game, but they’ sure don’t walk the walk.


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