Who could have seen this one coming!

Guess they’ve been listening to Monica Michelle Bachmann (R-MN). She told them to beware the US Census.

The national average on the return rate for census forms is 34%. In much of Texas, the more Republican the area, the lower the return rate. In Briscoe County in the Panhandle, McCain/Palin won nearly 75% of the vote — and 8% of locals are sending in their census materials. In King County, near Lubbock, McCain/Palin won nearly 93% of the vote — and only 5% of locals are answering the census.

Who needs more seats in Congress or federal grants for highways anyway?

19 responses to “Who could have seen this one coming!

  1. Hey Moe, I got swarmed by Census Workers yesterday while I was eating at the soup-kitchen (I told you I was dirt-poor). I had not got my Census in the mail, and they wanted to know if I had already been counted. I told them that I did not want to take part, because I felt like white males were grossly under-represented in Census commercials, bus advertisements, posters, etc. They said, “We are a diverse Country.” And I said, “But not unlike Affirmitive Action, it gets overdone at the expense of white males, in the name of ‘Progress’. To progress without the demographic solely responsible for pioneering the Modern World is not progress, but suicidal madness.” They looked at me like I was crazy and marked me down as “Person, Male, 28.” True Story. Swear to God.

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  2. Behind every white male pioneer is a woman cleaning up his messes after him.

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    • Ahem. Did you mean to leave our we 20th and 21st century women?

      I have an idea for a musical comedy about male politicians, extra marital sex, and the wives who band together to bring those guys down to earth. Now wouldn’t that be fun?

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  3. [I told them that I did not want to take part, because I felt like white males were grossly under-represented in Census commercials, bus advertisements, posters, etc. ]

    Texan, I’m going to bet that the reason is that they know – from voting patterns – that white males are already much more likely to participate in civic activity – like the census. So they’re trying to reach those who are less participatory. (You know, you don’t waste your marketing efforts selling an idea to those who already believe in it.)

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  4. “We are a diverse Country.” And I said, “But not unlike Affirmitive Action, it gets overdone at the expense of white males, in the name of ‘Progress’.

    Someone is going to pissed off when they hear about the Patriarchy. :>

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  5. You are probably right, Moe. It’s just that I loathe racism, and even though this may be hard for you to believe, I would have been just as perterbed if blacks or asians would have been excluded. I am fully aware that many women and minorities probably invented many things, and since they could not own a patent, white males took the credit. However, I see racism from ALL sides, and reverse-racism is just as bad as racism. I feel that whites are forbidden any sense of accomplishment as a race. I feel that blacks are treated badly, also. I know a lot of black people, and they can’t even walk into a store without the stare. It’s like people expect the worst, and that is precisely my OTHER problem with A.A. An insinuation that blacks can’t compete on a level playing field. They could, if the field was level, alas it is not. As for the Census… I think the marketing stinks, and they are way over doing it. I am so sick of those commercials I could puke.

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    • Well, I’m with your about being sick of commercials – ALL commercials. I’m very tired of being shouted at and I’m tired of being counted only as a consumer. I work hard NOT to consume. (I just made my bed and was admiring how well my sisters’ 30 year old duvet works very well now as a top sheet.)

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    • What the heck is “reverse racism?” Racial theory in itself is a crock. Anyone who disparages an entire community based on something as trivial (and biologically insignificant) as skin colour is a racist, regardless at which “colour” the disparaging is directed.

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  6. I feel that whites are forbidden any sense of accomplishment as a race.

    Really? You didn’t just say that did you?

    Are you feeling repressed? Left out? Somehow singled out and discriminated against as a White Male?

    My apologies.

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    • Again, I’ll say that I have no belief or faith in so-called racial theories, and that one human is just the same as any other. A “race” is a social construct, a retrogade one that brings us back to the level of tribalistic hostilities. And that is exactly the point, to create hostilities, so that the group more proficient in slaughter can dominate the other groups.

      However, what I think Typical Texan is trying to say is that this historical blame-game against a particular demographic is being used as a “moral” justification for the denigration of that group to the point where they are actually treated as inferiors. I’m all for equality, and there are still “gaps” in the workforce pay grade between women and men that are unjustifiable. But I have this feeling, that militant feminists, like yourself, who would rather see women as socially superior to men rather than their equals. Feminists claim moral superiority for women at every turn, and use this as their primary reserve of ammunition against men. Look me in the Avatar and tell me that this attitude, of self proclaimed superiority as fuel for an excuse for dominance over a slice of the human race is not as bad as Richard Kipling’s “The White Man’s Burden”.

      Read history. Every demographic that either you or I can think of has blood on “its” hands.
      Groups in themselves are social constructs; like a race or a nation or a socioeconomic class, and not every individual in that group adheres to an ideology with a Borg-like hive mentality. Thus, racism, sexism, communism, and jignotism have no logical meaning.

      Do you really want equality for women? I do, but the way some of the feminists talk makes me think that you want to set yourselves up as another “ruling” group. In modern society, what is more retrograde than that?

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      • But I have this feeling, that militant feminists, like yourself, who would rather see women as socially superior to men rather than their equals.

        I’m curious to see how you are attempting to frame my position. At the outset it seems erroneous in certain areas.

        Social superiority? That is a very loose term. How do you define it? Is it similar to the white male privilege that men enjoy now? If it is, I believe you may be setting up a false dichotomy when it comes to representing my beliefs.

        Firstly, you frame a the feminist movement in distinctly patriarchal terms. Evidenced by, well that’s what social groups do…they want power… so feminists by (patriarchal definition) want to rule society because that is what every other (patriarchally defined group wants).

        Advancing equality and the notion that women are autonomous human beings is first and foremost on my ‘radical’ agenda.

        Look me in the Avatar and tell me that this attitude, of self proclaimed superiority…

        Frame feminism as you like, but keep in mind the contextual framework from which you do so.

        Read history

        I do. Quite regularly actually. 🙂

        Every demographic that either you or I can think of has blood on “its” hands.

        Ah, so it isn’t so bad for the womenz after all then? We’ve never had it so good? Saying that we are all guilty is a strange tact for patriarchal apologetics, if indeed that was your intent.

        Groups in themselves are social constructs; like a race or a nation or a socioeconomic class, and not every individual in that group adheres to an ideology with a Borg-like hive mentality. Thus, racism, sexism, communism, and jignotism have no logical meaning.

        I was going to write this argument off as a meander into post modernism but if it is not allow me to answer.

        1. All groups are social constructs.
        2. Some people in groups behave like individuals.
        3. So, social constructs have no meaning.

        Allow me to refute point one. Humans cohere in social groups. Granted they have the ability to think individually and act as autonomous beings. However, autonomous human beings do tend to gravitate toward social groups that mirror their set of interests. That is to say that people who like “x” or believe in “x” seek to form social bonds with others who hold similar views.

        This sociological preference in no way invalidates the idea of racism,sexism, communism etc. One can express racist views as an individual or as part of a group message. It does not logically invalidate the idea of racism.

        Further more social groups can dramatically amplify message even if is specious. Consider religion for example. If you had one person saying that a dude was nailed to a cross and then died…AND then came back to life; we would have this person seek psychological help as clearly people who have been dead for days do not come back to life. To claim otherwise is irrational. Enter religion, and when many people believe the same irrational story it somehow becomes palatable?

        I would argue that social constructs represent are an important part of society and may represent irrational viewpoints, but certainly are not Null when it comes to inherit meaning.

        but the way some of the feminists talk makes me think that you want to set yourselves up as another “ruling” group.

        I’m thinking that some of what is being said sounds alien to you because of the conceptual framework already established by society. Taking radical viewpoints from a mainstream point of view almost always results in the wrong idea being conveyed.

        In modern society, what is more retrograde than that?

        It is the status quo, if you have not noticed. 🙂

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        • I failed to present my arguement in a rational manner – I apologize if I came off as too aggressive.
          However, I do have a few extra statements.

          “…Ah, so it isn’t so bad for the womenz after all then? We’ve never had it so good? Saying that we are all guilty is a strange tact for patriarchal apologetics, if indeed that was your intent…”

          That was not my intention at all. I was merely saying there can be no one “group” that can logically claim “righteousness”. This was not meant as an excuse for patriarchy; indeed the sooner all vestiges of male social “privalege” are gone, the better. It is just erranous to attempt to villainize every individual of one group based on historical and social mistakes of the past.

          Like I said, I’m all in favour of equality, and yes, while the state-sanctioned patriarchy has been (more or less) dismantled, there remain some discriminatory vestigial elements that need to be likewise removed.

          “…Further more social groups can dramatically amplify message even if is specious. Consider religion for example. If you had one person saying that a dude was nailed to a cross and then died…AND then came back to life; we would have this person seek psychological help as clearly people who have been dead for days do not come back to life. To claim otherwise is irrational. Enter religion, and when many people believe the same irrational story it somehow becomes palatable?…”

          Religion isn’t quite a good comparisan because most religions rest soley on belief, which may or may not be rational (ressurection, as you pointed out, is quite irrational) , wheras abborration of one group simply based on group stereotypes can only be illogical.

          “….Allow me to refute point one. Humans cohere in social groups. Granted they have the ability to think individually and act as autonomous beings. However, autonomous human beings do tend to gravitate toward social groups that mirror their set of interests. That is to say that people who like “x” or believe in “x” seek to form social bonds with others who hold similar views.

          This sociological preference in no way invalidates the idea of racism,sexism, communism etc. One can express racist views as an individual or as part of a group message. It does not logically invalidate the idea of racism….”

          You are right that it was probably too much to say that social groups have no meaning. People do gravitate towards people who share their interests, culture, language, belief, et cetera, and this is the basis for ethnicity and/or nationality.
          However, you likewise cannot rule out individualism; while a member of a certain group may be more likely to express a certain set of traits or beleifs, it is never always the case. To claim a superiority of any type based on ethnicity (racism), gender (sexism), nationality (jignotism) or working class-vs.-bourgeoise (communism) IS irrational, because stereotypes claim to be all-inclusive when all-inclusiveness in a group containing millions or billions of individuals never occurs. Therefore, while groups do have some meaning, it is indeed Null to try and include all members of a group under a single definition.

          I read some of your stuff, and I profusely apologize for jumping to tribalistic conclusions about you.

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      • [But I have this feeling, that militant feminists, like yourself, who would rather see women as socially superior to men rather than their equals. ]

        Mililtant ‘anythings’ – not just feminists – want to be superior. They want power; they want to prevail. They are not where the argument exists.

        An activist feminist is not a militant feminist. She is one who knows we’re not ‘there’ yet and that activism must continue for some time before we can claim parity.

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